Yes, I know this is old news now, but I have read so many posts on the topic in the last couple of days I felt it only appropriate to add my thoughts.
I am never going to be in a random dungeon again.
Yup, there I said it. I am never going to get a silver in the proving grounds and that means I am not likely going to be raiding in WoD…sound a little dramatic? Well you know me
Here is the post from WoWinsider, and below you will find some of the blog posts about it that I have read.
I have always considered myself a decent player, I don’t hit top level dps or bottom, I am in the middle somewhere, I follow my rotation, I gem/enchant all the thingz and I don’t stand in the fire. I also don’t go around abusing people for being dumb arses or not knowing their classes. I help where I can and offer tips if I see something can be done differently.
So far, with my current gear of 545 ish, I managed to get a bronze the other day – on my second attempt, just. I tried for a silver and missed it by about 15 seconds. Did it make me a better player knowing I had a timer ticking down ?? No, it made me bat shit nervous. I also couldn’t decide if I was to AOE or single target – because in heroics….who the heck single targets after the first week?? Let me rephrase, who has a chance to single target?? Am I better at my class now that I have a bronze..nope, will I be better if i get a silver – highly unlikely – if I can’t get a silver it will mean I get annoyed and stop trying because I don’t need to pass a timed event to know I can play my class well enough for LFD/LFR and yes, even normals!!!
I might go back and do some more practice in the proving grounds, but honestly it didn’t do it for me, and I have vague recollection of attempting it when I first hit 90 and not even getting through the first round because I was CCing and being careful..turns out the mobs don’t move in bronze so I wasted precious seconds faffing about – but how am I supposed to know that? If soloing content, I CC as much as possible, that is my shtick, it is one of the reasons I became a mage, but the proving grounds does not allow for that. (I have not attempted the grounds on a tank or healer so I have no idea about what happens).
I am not saying I dislike the proving grounds – I like the concept, just because I don’t enjoy it doesn’t mean anything, however, I don’t think they should be used as a gating into heroics. Maybe you have to complete all the normal modes before doing heroics so you at least know the fights, or maybe you have to do some number of scenarios – but I always felt 5 mans was where you were supposed to learn how to play in a small raid situation. As other people have said, this is going to make the abuse even worse because people will expect a certain level of skill by having a silver, but I will guarantee you people will still pull extra mobs, stand in the fire and will not kill the healers first – even when they have a silver – and it will not make heroic get completed any faster. It will make for much more abusive players.
There is no right or wrong to this, clearly Blizz are listening to the player base whinging about the crappola in 5 mans, but I can honestly say, I leave runs more for the abusive wankers in runs than if we have a bad tank/healer/dps. When I think back to a few months ago, that was me when I was starting out and had no gear and was nervous about tanking in front of non guildies ( I still won’t do LFR on my tank) I cut people some slack and allow them time to learn.
This is a game to me and I don’t want to have to produce a resume to get into an instance because it won’t happen. With 10 million players you are bound to run into scrubs, perhaps if people stopped being arseholes, it would be better. Consider heroics used to take 30-40 mins to complete, now we are lucky if they take 10 in some cases. Instead of abusing someone perhaps offer some tips to people that run would only take 15 minutes to complete and you would not be in such a tizzy. Also consider that most people are unlikely to be logging off straight away (I did say most) and so it really is not going to affect you overall if you spent an extra 10 minutes in a heroic – the world will not end, hell will not freeze over and cats and dogs will not be living together and causing MASS HYSTERIA!!!!
We don’t need gating, what we need is for people to show just a centimetre of tolerance. That is all. Just show some respect to a fellow human being who loves this game as much as you and start using the kick function for the cyber bullies in this world who feel it is ok to abuse people. (Tangent : the last sentence spoken to us in a pvp match last night – “you are all fucking idiots and suck” – that sticks with me even now as I was trying to do what the rules dictate but others weren’t – why am I the idiot? It is hurtful and not needed, we lost – surely it doesn’t make you feel good to abuse strangers?!) To be this entire thing is about cyber bullys and we – as a collective – need to stamp it out. We need to take back the 5 mans and we need to start telling people it is not ok.
** Edited to add** I decided to go back on my tank and try out Bronze level, just to see what it was like. I sucked. I kept getting caught at one spot because I didn’t self heal, being a pally and all. Honestly, I have run a few heroics on my pally and I have very rarely had to worry about self healing other than from my Seal. I had to try the Bronze level approx 6 times I think and after the 4th time I was ready to throw my computer. I tank heroics now, quite well and without issue, I have even tanked some raids on my pally. Why the hell was I struggling with PG?!?! Because it is a test – and I have to pass that test. I do not do well under pressure. Has that experience made me a better tank – nope….because as I have said before – PG is not live. It is not being in a raid/heroic. It does not allow for the fact that if I was to self heal – the healer would be pissed at me for wasting their heal/mana/cast – in some cases. I have even been told by some healers to turn of my seal because it messes with them (not often – I will be truthful – but it has happened). PG doesn’t allow for the intricacies of play which need to be learnt for heroics – using CC on mobs, actually picking up the god damn bombs and throwing them at mobs, or jumping to avoid the sticky goo, or tank switching on 3 stacks or bouncing a stupid random ball. Playing a class is not simply about DPS checks or holding aggro – learning the basics won’t mean anything if you can’t understand the boss fights in heroics – which is normally the main reason for abuse. I stand by my statement that you need to have done the normals (in that spec as well?) before you can do heroics as a better option, but I am not Blizz
I am not sold on it and I am one of those people that are likely not going to be able to get a silver without some serious man hours involved…..but I guess it all depends on this re-tune they give it.
**Edited to add – before you all go crazy at me – my plan is to do this on a healing toon some time this week and see how badly I go. I say that because I have never done healing on a toon before (2 weeks on a shammy in BT does not count) – so it will be as though I have just been given a toon with timeless isle gear and told to jump into a heroic. This will give me a better practical understanding of how this may help better prepare people for roles. Let’s see how I go and if I manage to do it before this post goes live :p