Obligatory post about the new WoD gating

Yes, I know this is old news now, but I have read so many posts on the topic in the last couple of days I felt it only appropriate to add my thoughts.

I am never going to be in a random dungeon again.

Yup, there I said it.  I am never going to get a silver in the proving grounds and that means I am not likely going to be raiding in WoD…sound a little dramatic?  Well you know me :)

Here is the post from WoWinsider, and below you will find some of the blog posts about it that I have read.

I have always considered myself a decent player, I don’t hit top level dps or bottom, I am in the middle somewhere, I follow my rotation, I gem/enchant all the thingz and I don’t stand in the fire.  I also don’t go around abusing people for being dumb arses or not knowing their classes.  I help where I can and offer tips if I see something can be done differently.

So far, with my current gear of 545 ish, I managed to get a bronze the other day – on my second attempt, just.  I tried for a silver and missed it by about 15 seconds.  Did it make me a better player knowing I had a timer ticking down ??  No, it made me bat shit nervous.   I also couldn’t decide if I was to AOE or single target – because in heroics….who the heck single targets after the first week??  Let me rephrase, who has a chance to single target??  Am I better at my class now that I have a bronze..nope, will I be better if i get a silver – highly unlikely – if I can’t get a silver it will mean I get annoyed and stop trying because I don’t need to pass a timed event to know I can play my class well enough for LFD/LFR and yes, even normals!!!

I might go back and do some more practice in the proving grounds, but honestly it didn’t do it for me, and I have vague recollection of attempting it when I first hit 90 and not even getting through the first round because I was CCing and being careful..turns out the mobs don’t move in bronze so I wasted precious seconds faffing about – but how am I supposed to know that?  If soloing content, I CC as much as possible, that is my shtick, it is one of the reasons I became a mage, but the proving grounds does not allow for that.  (I have not attempted the grounds on a tank or healer so I have no idea about what happens).

I am not saying I dislike the proving grounds – I like the concept, just because I don’t enjoy it doesn’t mean anything, however, I don’t think they should be used as a gating into heroics.  Maybe you have to complete all the normal modes before doing heroics so you at least know the fights, or maybe you have to do some number of scenarios – but I always felt 5 mans was where you were supposed to learn how to play in a small raid situation.  As other people have said, this is going to make the abuse even worse because people will expect a certain level of skill by having a silver, but I will guarantee you people will still pull extra mobs, stand in the fire and will not kill the healers first – even when they have a silver – and it will not make heroic get completed any faster.  It will make for much more abusive players.

There is no right or wrong to this, clearly Blizz are listening to the player base whinging about the crappola in 5 mans, but I can honestly say, I leave runs more for the abusive wankers in runs than if we have a bad tank/healer/dps.  When I think back to a few months ago, that was me when I was starting out and had no gear and was nervous about tanking in front of non guildies ( I still won’t do LFR on my tank) I cut people some slack and allow them time to learn.

This is a game to me and I don’t want to have to produce a resume to get into an instance because it won’t happen.  With 10 million players you are bound to run into scrubs, perhaps if people stopped being arseholes, it would be better. Consider heroics used to take 30-40 mins to complete, now we are lucky if they take 10 in some cases.  Instead of abusing someone perhaps offer some tips to people that run would only take 15 minutes to complete and you would not be in such a tizzy.  Also consider that most people are unlikely to be logging off straight away (I did say most) and so it really is not going to affect you overall if you spent an extra 10 minutes in a heroic – the world will not end, hell will not freeze over and cats and dogs will not be living together and causing MASS HYSTERIA!!!!

We don’t need gating, what we need is for people to show just a centimetre of tolerance.  That is all.  Just show some respect to a fellow human being who loves this game as much as you and start using the kick function for the cyber bullies in this world who feel it is ok to abuse people. (Tangent : the last sentence spoken to us in a pvp match last night – “you are all fucking idiots and suck” – that sticks with me even now as I was trying to do what the rules dictate but others weren’t – why am I the idiot?  It is hurtful and not needed, we lost – surely it doesn’t make you feel good to abuse strangers?!)  To be this entire thing is about cyber bullys and we – as a collective – need to stamp it out.  We need to take back the 5 mans and we need to start telling people it is not ok.

** Edited to add** I decided to go back on my tank and try out Bronze level, just to see what it was like.  I sucked. I kept getting caught at one spot because I didn’t self heal, being a pally and all.  Honestly, I have run a few heroics on my pally and I have very rarely had to worry about self healing other than from my Seal.  I had to try the Bronze level approx 6 times I think and after the 4th time I was ready to throw my computer.  I tank heroics now, quite well and without issue, I have even tanked some raids on my pally.  Why the hell was I struggling with PG?!?!  Because it is a test – and I have to pass that test.  I do not do well under pressure.  Has that experience made me a better tank – nope….because as I have said before – PG is not live.  It is not being in a raid/heroic.  It does not allow for the fact that if I was to self heal – the healer would be pissed at me for wasting their heal/mana/cast – in some cases.  I have even been told by some healers to turn of my seal because it messes with them (not often – I will be truthful – but it has happened).  PG doesn’t allow for the intricacies of play which need to be learnt for heroics  - using CC on mobs, actually picking up the god damn bombs and throwing them at mobs, or jumping to avoid the sticky goo, or tank switching on 3 stacks or bouncing a stupid random ball.  Playing a class is not simply about DPS checks or holding aggro – learning the basics won’t mean anything if you can’t understand the boss fights in heroics – which is normally the main reason for abuse.  I stand by my statement that you need to have done the normals (in that spec as well?) before you can do heroics as a better option, but I am not Blizz :)

I am not sold on it and I am one of those people that are likely not going to be able to get a silver without some serious man hours involved…..but I guess it all depends on this re-tune they give it.

**Edited to add – before you all go crazy at me – my plan is to do this on a healing toon some time this week and see how badly I go.  I say that because I have never done healing on a toon before (2 weeks on a shammy in BT does not count) – so it will be as though I have just been given a toon with timeless isle gear and told to jump into a heroic.  This will give me a better practical understanding of how this may help better prepare people for roles.  Let’s see how I go and if I manage to do it before this post goes live :p


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14 comments on Obligatory post about the new WoD gating:

  1. M. R. March 2, 2014 10:08 am

    A better thing for them to do would be to make LFD/LFR/random BGs pull players from “connected realms” only. It could bring back some sense of community…might take a while…but could bring it back. We need “consequences for actions” brought back to the game and not added gating.

    • Dragonray March 2, 2014 2:03 pm

      Yeah I quite like that idea of connected realms with LFR/LFD, get to know the neighbours so to speak :)

      I definitely agree with the consequences need to be brought back in, and I don’t really have any ideas on how that would work in game.

      • M. R. March 3, 2014 2:06 am

        As far as consequences, I was refering as to how it used to be back in the day where your reputation was key. If they would pull people from connected realms only for LFD/LFR then slowly, but surely, the bad eggs would make a name for themselves and never get invited for anything…or at least would make it easier to get the bad eggs on your ignore list so that you never have to group with them in the future.

        • Dragonray March 3, 2014 6:44 am

          Ahh yes, fair enough, and even known guilds that operate with idiots makes it a little easier to work out what you are likely to get. I personally don’t think that is enough though – because let’s face it trolls are trolls and bullies are always bullies until we start taking a stand about booting them out of runs and showing consequences that way as well I don’t think it will stop. I would rather wait 15 minutes for a replacement and price that people won’t tolerate crap anymore, then spend 15 minutes with someone constantly abusing another.

  2. Saxsy Ysiel'thar (@SaxsyMage) March 2, 2014 10:49 am

    You are likely having difficulty with the Proving Grounds as they are because they are balanced around an item level of 463. If your item level is above 463, your gear is scaled down, but if it’s below 463 I don’t think it’s scaled up. Of course it will be hard for you and will be well nigh impossible until you get your gear up to level. I hope that the Proving Grounds in WoD will be balanced around a gear level that is available from normal dungeons, and that you won’t have as much of a problem.

    (I also think that if this makes a lot of people forgo random heroics in favor of forming full groups, that it will be a very good thing.)

    • Dragonray March 2, 2014 2:09 pm

      Oh, well that is even worse :p My ilevel is 500+ on my mage…I must try and so silver soon on her…if I can be bothered.

      I am keen to see what they do for WoD and how they scale them, because I like the underlying concept behind them. I jut suck at timed events, I get too nervous and miss everything I am supposed to do.

  3. shelly March 2, 2014 1:29 pm

    Don’t know how the gearing process will be this next expansion but if it is similar to the gearing process for mists I will probably do what I did this time around and pretty much ignore heroic five mans all together. Run scenarios to get badges/ gear to fill into the I level to start the raids. I don’t remember them saying that lfr was going to use the same gate. Scenarios take super less time than any of the dungeons (if they are going to try to go for the whole cata way of thinking, ie: thinking should be involved in running heroics) and if I want to group I will likely want to quebfor lfr anyways if I am looking for gear.
    On my new 90′s I havent even taken any of them to a heroic since the isle opened and on my first 90′s I think I have only ran a total of 5 heroics across my 4 characters for specific gear to hit the first I level threshold for lfr. Honestly do not think that according to the info we currently have that this change will affect me all that much.

    • Dragonray March 2, 2014 2:14 pm

      You know I have not even done ver many scenarios in total, but you are right they are much faster and still give you loot, if we get the same set up in sod, I might give that a spin and see how it goes.

      I did the same thing with my alts though, set them all up with Timeless Isle gear and then went straight into Fr, so I have barely run any heroics with them, and in truth, I really have preferred that to running heroics for gear first.

  4. PlaidElf March 2, 2014 4:58 pm

    I have to say I’m really not excited about this particular method of gating either. It’s annoying, especially so for people who have already played in random heroics through more than one expansion. I think I’d be more okay with it if I could earn the each silver once and have it apply to my whole account. But I play multiple paladins and right now it is sounding like I would basically have to go earn silver on each of them for both their specs in order to queue up for five man heroics. Even if I didn’t find proving grounds annoying and kind of obnoxious to do that still seems like an awful lot of time sink for something that after the first go it should be pretty clear I’m at least competent at. (I’ve honestly really only put much effort into trying the healer proving ground so far because that was the thing I felt I needed to learn)
    And the timers really don’t do a whole lot to improve my performance either. So I’m with you. I’d much rather see people spend less time being jerks and more time trying to work together rather than another irritating fence to get over before I can actually play the game.

    • Dragonray March 2, 2014 8:23 pm

      Yeah as far as I understand it, it is not account wide, so you have to do it on every toon you actually play…even if it is a duplicate. They haven’t mentioned anywhere that I have seen, what happens if people have multiples of the same toons…but it is an interesting issue.

      I would dearly love for the jerk issue to be people’s focus and not whether someone has a silver or not, but sadly…bullying is more acceptable in a game of millions then trying to help them be better players. :( {insert dramatics} :)

  5. tomeoftheancient March 2, 2014 10:59 pm

    I’m just not sure they have them “right.” The relative ease with which I did the tank bronze first try, not being a tank, is puzzling but then people that have played with me in cat form might say I’m always tanking as a Cat.

    But knowing me and test taking I might have done okay on the tank one because I knew I didn’t know what I was doing so the pressure was off. I suck at tests. PG was a good place to try a new spec out and I’m about to change to a sideways mouse so I might go there to get used to that but as a test of my ability? Not so much.

    • Dragonray March 3, 2014 6:50 am

      Did you have to heal in yours as bronze, and I assume bear tanking? I think the idea that it confirms you know where your taunt button is, is a valid one, and maybe that is all they really are trying to do and all of us are reading too much into it. (I don’t think so though when you look at people like Plaidelf and multiple paladins, I feel they are making 5 man heroics a really difficult prospect).

      Maybe they will change what 5 mans are there for..especially with scenarios as mentioned earlier by Shelly…like you Tome, I just feel it isn’t a valid measure of one’s abilities in the battlefield!

      • tomeoftheancient March 4, 2014 4:54 am

        Nope, didn’t need to heal while a bear, I just ran around smacking the heck out of everything. What was weird was all I do is play dps characters and the dps bronze was harder than the tank one. I don’t get it.

        • Dragonray March 4, 2014 6:22 am

          I also found the dps one harder than the tanking one after I discovered the problem I was having, so it will be interesting to see how they “re-tune” them for this requirement.

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